This is the fourth time in history that Congress has seriously looked into impeaching a president.
TODAY: Bill Taylor and George Kent.
FRIDAY: Marie Yovanovitch.
NEXT WEEK’S WITNESSES:
Tuesday: Pence aide Jennifer Williams … Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman … Kurt Volker … Timothy Morrison.
Wednesday: Gordon Sondland … Laura Cooper … David Hale.
Thursday: Fiona Hill.
Today on the dais: George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs, and Bill Taylor, the top diplomat in the U.S. embassy in Ukraine. Both have testified in closed hearings.
Taylor, the chargé d’affaires at the embassy in Kiev, told the committees leading the probe that he came to realize “that one of the key pillars of our strong support for Ukraine was threatened” by an “irregular policy channel” consisting of Rudy Giuliani and several U.S. diplomats.
Kent has testified about an effort by Giuliani and others to oust the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, based on what he called a “fake news driven smear out of Ukraine” and a “classic disinformation operation.” Yovanovitch was recalled from her post three months early, and will testify before the Intelligence Committee on Friday.
Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed today, centering his case for President Donald Trump’s innocence on the dubious logic that Trump only “requested” and did not “demand” that the Ukrainian President make up a Biden scandal.
“Moreover, Mr. Trump requested that Ukraine root out corruption; he didn’t demand it,” he wrote. “His words were cordial, agreeable and free of any element of threat or coercion. Mr. Trump offered nothing in return to Ukraine for cleaning up corruption.”
In fact, many witnesses in the impeachment inquiry have now testified to the fact that military aid to Ukraine was held back as leverage to force Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to go after the Bidens.
However, as spurious as the logic may seem, Giuliani may be getting at the newest Republican talking point to push back against the inquiry, now that their complaints about the private hearings are moot. They seem to be floating a “it wasn’t a crime because it was unsuccessful” kind of approach — that any pressure Trump put on Ukraine didn’t matter, because he ended up releasing the military aid without getting what he wanted in return
An hour before it starts and Trump is rage-tweeting.

GOP aide tells me one plan discussed is for Gym Jordan and others to repeatedly use the whistleblower's name as one of several strategies to blow up the hearings and make the media report on his identity.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) November 13, 2019
Be prepared for stunts.
Everybody’s live now — ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS — all the cable newsers — NPR and other radio networks — the big news sites are streaming — lots of streaming options on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube — Fox stations have the option of going live.
I’ll have live updates of the hearings, as needed.
They airbrushed out the embedded Jake Tapper tweet about Sally Yates’ firing that Zaid was commenting on. Just members of Congress presenting a private citizen in a false light to pillory him at some of the most closely watched hearings in recent history. https://t.co/9IgphZQ2eH
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 13, 2019
Fox News graphics department starts off the impeachment hearings by attacking Schiff's credibility and noting Trump has accused him of treason pic.twitter.com/qZ36N2aiTd
— Lis Power (@LisPower1) November 13, 2019
"What we will see today is a theatrical performance, staged by Democrats," dramatically intones the ranking member of the Republicans, who literally brought giant props into the room.
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) November 13, 2019
Yep, Devin Nunes went there. He's attacking (as Democratic stooges) witnesses Amb. Bill Taylor and State Dept's George Kent–highly respected professionals who have served presidents of both parties with distinction. #ImpeachmentHearings
— Larry Sabato (@LarrySabato) November 13, 2019
Marcy Wheeler, who, as blogger emptywheel, has for nearly two decades closely followed national security and civil liberties issues, pointed out nine lies by Nunes in his opening statement on Twitter. Here’s a selection:
At the outset she noted: “Nunes starts with a lie, that Democrats accused Trump of being an ‘Agent.’”
- ”Note: Nunes claims Dems didn’t have more than circumstantial evidence of collusion. Evidence in the Stone trial more than meets Mark Meadows’ definition of collusion.”
- “In fact, Mueller said there was evidence of conspiracy, which is stronger than collusion. So far, Two lies in the first seconds of Nunes’ speech.”
- “Nunes claims there were 1-sided leaks. Lie number 3.”
- “Nunes claims ‘most’ GOP witnesses denied. They got 3 witnesses. Lie number 4.”
- ”Nunes false says Mark Zaid called for a coup. Lie number 5.”
- ”Nunes now complaining about projection. Claiming Steele dossier = collusion with Russia, claims Dems defend Hunter Biden having a job. Lies 6 and 7.”
- ”Note, Nunes claims witnesses don’t know the answers on Hunter Biden. Except a number of witnesses did testify to it. Lie 8.”
- ”Nunes claims ‘Russian hoax’ has ended. No, the fully predicted investigation into Trump and his flunkies conspiracies with Russia and WikiLeaks has not. Lie 9.”
That’s quite the introduction.
10:38 am Republicans trying to hit Schiff with points of order about getting testimony from the whistleblower. Trying to rattle Schiff or show a stupid public that whistleblower is relevant (he’s not).
Taylor's opening remarks appear to contain new information: A staff member asked Sondland about Trump's July 25 call. Sondland responded that Trump "cares more about the investigations of Biden" than he did about Ukraine. https://t.co/6JS48Ej9lx
— The Moscow Project (@moscow_project) November 13, 2019
Here’s the full statement:
The section of Taylor’s opening statement where he’s talking about his conversations with Sondland is really, really important. He says Sondland told him that it wasn’t just a White House meeting that hinged on the investigations — “everything” (including security aid) depended on Ukraine’s willingness to publicly announce a probe into the Bidens. Sondland himself hasn’t been an especially reliable witness, though. He had to update his testimony last week after reading about what Taylor and another witness, Tim Morrison, said in closed-door depositions. He now says he did tell Ukrainians that the security assistance likely wouldn’t be released until there was a public announcement about the investigations.
His testimony is thorough, steady, compelling, credible, and devastating.
— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) November 13, 2019
So the day after Trump makes the call, Sondland meets w Zelensky aid to close the deal and calls Trump *from the meeting* and Trump is asking about the investigations.
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 13, 2019
Taylor also said his staff asked Sondland what Trump thought of Ukraine and Sondland said Trump cared more about investigations into the Bidens then he did about Ukraine.
— Lauren Fox (@FoxReports) November 13, 2019
Americans might not care about foreign policy, but Taylor sure as hell is going to try to make them. He ended his opening statement on national television to make a case for why Ukraine is important to U.S. security interests.
Trump at this moment is not tweeting, but re-tweeting — mostly a lot of Fox clips. The White House spokesperson says he is not watching the hearings.
One thing I think the testimony has done well so far is to emphasize the power differential between Ukraine and the U.S. — and by extension, Zelensky and Trump. Zelensky was a new political leader eagerly looking for the legitimacy that a meeting with Trump would give him. His country was at war with Russia and desperately in need of security assistance. This context helps clarify why the Ukrainians couldn’t just shrug off the pressure from Trump’s allies, despite advice from many people not to get involved in U.S. politics — they were really in a precarious situation.
One wonders if this new talking point is intended to dissuade viewers from paying attention to what's being said. pic.twitter.com/ntEit9mXXZ
— Amy Gardner (@AmyEGardner) November 13, 2019
Taylor testifying that the President of the United States ordered the President of Ukraine to go to a microphone and announce an investigation into Joe Biden.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 13, 2019
I mean what else do we need here?
Taylor testifying that the President of the United States ordered the President of Ukraine to go to a microphone and announce an investigation into Joe Biden.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 13, 2019
I mean what else do we need here?
Impeachment worthwhile just for this momentary display of hand signals between witnesses. pic.twitter.com/vQh2RjgCtG
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 13, 2019
JUST IN: A source familiar with the matter tells @NBCNews that the Taylor staffer who overheard Sondland's call with Trump is David Holmes, who was just added to the calendar to testify in closed session Friday
— Josh Lederman (@JoshNBCNews) November 13, 2019
And we’re back. Nunes opening the Republicans’ line of inquiry.
This current Nunes line of questioning — the president was concerned about foreign interference, hence everything here is fine and normal — might be Republicans’ best line of defense. There’s not any evidence to support it, and it doesn’t really pass the smell test, but how do you prove what was in Trump’s head? You just end up in an empirical dead end of sorts.
Part of Nunes tactic here is to ask Taylor a question with an embedded false premise and then cite to Taylor saying he wasn't aware of it (because it is false) and getting Taylor to say "yes" or "that is correct" in response.
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) November 13, 2019
Steve Castor is Republican counsel.
Castor is laying out reasons why Trump might have felt like he was threatened by Ukraine and trying to get Taylor to agree with them. He says that Trump may have reasonably perceived that some parts of the Ukrainian establishment were “out to get him.” It quickly devolved into a debate among members about whether Castor is asserting facts that aren’t in evidence and may not be correct.
Castor is repeatedly, and unsuccessfully, trying to get Ambassador Taylor to vindicate the Ukraine conspiracy theories, and Taylor's not biting.
— Brandon (@Brand_Allen) November 13, 2019
I thought committee counsel was supposed to be really good at this. #ImpeachmentHearings
This entire line of questioning from Castor is based on a lie. Trump didn’t ask Zelensky to cooperate with the Barr/Durham probe, he asked him about the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory. It’s right in the call summary.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 13, 2019
Republican lawyer trying to make it sound like Trump-Zelensky call was part of getting cooperation for DOJ investigation of origins of Russian investigation. But DOJ statement said this isn’t true. & when Ukraine was looking for proof this was official DOJ request, answer was no.
— Mimi Rocah (@Mimirocah1) November 13, 2019
Congressman Nunes and GOP Counsel Castro are trying to establish that President Trump had reasons to resent the way some Ukrainian officials had openly opposed his candidacy after he voiced the view that Putin’s annexation of Crimea might’ve been just fine. My answer is: So what?
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) November 13, 2019
It looks like the direction we are now going in is: What did Burisma do and (possibly) what was Hunter Biden’s role there? Just laying that out in clear terms might help the GOP case a little if they can make the whole thing look dirty. To be clear, while we don’t have evidence of wrongdoing, Hunter Biden’s role at least seems like an opportunity that came about because he has a powerful father and potentially not because of his qualifications per se.
The idea that Hunter Biden is the only showcase member of a corporate board is truly hilarious. Like, what does Arianna Huffington know about Uber’s business? What does Jim Mattis know about the chemistry of blood samples that Theranos was working on?
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 13, 2019
Kent said in his closed-door testimony that he tried to raise the alarm about Hunter Biden’s appointment to Burisma’s board back in 2015, because it could create the impression of a conflict of interest. This was an obvious breadcrumb for Republicans, so it’s not surprising to see Castor starting to seize on it.
Counsel questioning is over. Now to the members.
Schiff finally gets to the critical point: There’s just no indication that Trump or those acting on his behalf ever had the slightest interest in addressing any form of “Ukrainian corruption” other than Burisma and its ties to the Bidens.
— Julian Sanchez (@normative) November 13, 2019
Yes. The corruption in Ukraine was WAAAAAY more involved than jut Burisma.
Nunes says the "mother of all conspiracy theories" is that Trump would ask Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, which the call transcript released by the WH explicitly shows he did. Someone needs to READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) November 13, 2019
Jim Jordan is doing that thing where he talks really fast and loudly in the hope that it makes him sound smarter. I did that in 9th grade Model UN and it worked for a while but then people caught on.
— Ioana F (@ibflorea) November 13, 2019
Jordan is yelling at Taylor.
— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) November 13, 2019
Taylor is just laughing at Gym Jordan's breathless ranting. Even Gym looks like he doesn't understand what he was talking about. #ImpeachmentHearings
— Mike Rothschild (@rothschildmd) November 13, 2019
Real-time feedback indicates this is not going well for GOP:
Just got this message from a Republican operative: pic.twitter.com/KvHLAckA2M
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) November 13, 2019
Kent says he does not think what Biden did in trying to get Ukraine to fire prosecutor Shokin is the same as what Trump did. Kent says Shokin was a "corrupt prosecutor general…who had undermined" a US anti-corruption initiative involving US taxpayer money.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) November 13, 2019
So far the Republican members of the committee are yielding their time to two favorite GOP attack dogs, Jordan and Ratcliffe. Ratcliffe, as you may remember, is such a Trump favorite that the president initially proposed him to succeed Dan Coats as director of national intelligence. That plan was scrapped when questions arose about Ratcliffe’s résumé.
Jim Jordan’s argument is that Taylor was evidently wrong that Trump’s intent was to condition the aid release on an announcement of investigations into the Bidens, since that didn’t end up happening: Trump ultimately released the aid without an announcement. Jordan’s argument is seemingly vulnerable to the fact that circumstances significantly changed in the interim (bipartisan congressional pressure, the filing of the whistleblower complaint). So it’s interesting that Jordan is opting with that tactic, rather than arguing that there would be nothing wrong with Trump conditioning aid on the announcement.
2:05 pm — Is the Republican Party argument really that Taylor and Kent misunderstood something …that the president also indicated in the phone call that was released in public. I, like Kent and Taylor, have never met Donald Trump. Yet, I have some evidence that he wanted the Bidens investigated and was trying that to working with Ukraine.
If Republicans are leaning into the argument that Taylor and Kent misunderstood what was going on, they’re going to have to make it again, and again, and again. Multiple witnesses who are slated for testimony have all said it was clear to them that the aid and meeting were contingent on the investigations, including Sondland, who actually spoke to Trump. It’s very hard, as Perry said, to credibly dispute that aspect of Democrats’ evidence.
There are lots of people who *have* spoken to Trump that could testify: Mulvaney, Bolton, but the White House has ordered them not to. https://t.co/G1uHGceSjt
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 13, 2019
CARSON: "In all of your combined decades at the State Dept., have you ever before seen an instance where an ambassador was forced out by the president following a smear campaign of misinformation orchestrated by the president's allies?"
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 13, 2019
KENT: "I have not."
TAYLOR: "Nor I."
A lot of the defense by the GOP is that Zelensky said there was “no pressure,: a ridiculous thing to rely because what else is Zelensky going to say when he has to rely on Trump for continuing aid?
Ratcliffe used to be a US Attorney so of course he can’t understand why an extortion victim might deny being extorted in front of the extortionist upon whom he still relies
— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) November 13, 2019
So just for clarity, here's the 'hostage video' where Zelensky allegedly confirms no one pressured him. This is maybe half of the GOP argument. pic.twitter.com/39L0FTUpMA
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 13, 2019
We have not heard many process arguments from Republicans today — the idea that this impeachment inquiry is illegal or tantamount to a coup. That’s something we’ve heard plenty of from strident defenders of the president up until now. The arguments today have been more focused on disproving any wrongdoing by the president.
Republicans keep saying these witnesses have no direct knowledge, without acknowledging the White House has blocked those who have such knowledge from testifying.
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 13, 2019
Democrats have not made that point during their own time.
Meanwhile.,.,,. something is afoot:
The White House just summoned pool reporters into the Oval Office so quickly and unexpectedly that there was no network camera available to go in because camera guys are all setting to up in the East Room. Bit of a scramble in the briefing room.
— Eamon Javers (@EamonJavers) November 13, 2019
Could be something to do with Erdogon though, who is visiting.
Yeah, it’s Erdogon.
I don’t remember is just a *little* hard to believe. https://t.co/oeJ1je1xJP
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 13, 2019
8/12/19–whistleblower files complaint
— Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) November 13, 2019
9/9/19- House told of whistleblower complaint.
9/9/19–Sondland and Taylor exchange text messages and Sondland sends scripted "no quid pro quo" text
9/10/19-House asks for info about whistleblower complaint
9/11/19–Ukraine aid released
Jordan is lying again, by claiming that Schiff knew who the whistleblower is.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 13, 2019
Also lying by claiming that whistleblower had no direct evidence.
And the room erupted in laughter. https://t.co/3WWqiuyvrB
— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) November 13, 2019
Has any GOP member explained why — if as Jim Jordan says Ukraine is “one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet” — Trump trusted them to investigate two U.S. citizens for…corruption? 🤔
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) November 13, 2019
Exactly. If the aid was on hold for some legitimate reason it would have stayed on hold even when investigations began.
— Mimi Rocah (@Mimirocah1) November 13, 2019
Schiff also notes that the inspector general for the intelligence agencies informed Congress on Sept. 9 that the whistle-blower complaint was withheld by the administration, and it was less than 48 hours later that the aid was released.
3:35pm Taylor and Kent are dismissed after 5.5 hours of testimony.
By a 13-9 vote, Dems kill GOP motion to subpoena whistleblower
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) November 13, 2019